Re: [saag] [Pearg] Ten years after Snowden (2013 - 2023), is IETF keeping its promises?

[Tony Rutkowski <[e-mail]>]

Hi Phil,

To be fair, while nation states constrain what is allowable, there an 
array of other constraints in play which are perhaps even more 
forceful.  They include what the marketplace will support or allow; what 
industry groups will support or allow; what legal systems will allow or 
support, especially relating to competition policy and normative 
obligations.  Consider what will occur if Sec. 230 disappears.

My sense is that few IETF participants have a sense of what is ensuing 
through the new EU legislation as the new regulations and directives 
begin to come into force in 2023.  The free-for-all days of TCP/IP 
disruptive services and providers layered on top of other networks 
without controls or encumbrances will be coming to an end.  The 
secondary effect will be to diminish the IETF's already diminished value 
proposition.  On the other hand, it will not stop people who engage in 
the IETF for the personal pleasure obtained there.   It is perhaps 
ironically a bit like the new U.S. Congress.

--tony

On 1/9/2023 10:37 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> All of which is why I don't come to the IETF to be told what I am 
> going to be allowed to do. I come to the IETF to find other people 
> interested in building a particular view of the future. If the IETF 
> were to decide that only futures approved by the US Congress or the EU 
> Commission could be discussed, I would simply go somewhere else.
>