Re: List moderator action

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Tue, 05 May 2026 16:58 UTC

Return-Path: <sayrer@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@mail2.ietf.org
Delivered-To: ietf@mail2.ietf.org
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11489E95E6C1 for <ietf@mail2.ietf.org>; Tue, 5 May 2026 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1778000331; bh=jO5FO7K7Cw+z9vuNEH9px8v6oxrfxkKh+50Gilko5YE=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc; b=ciN/ntlxEN5RDPSszh218GQO6AFVEtcWpOvPEq1/OuTMLRnBrsYjK/tskcO8FKCoR swMkvd79/WxVbwhukDiVP7RDbN3KD1kYAqpSc0o/GHi2yVS9xl7Lw1uTTXOe0GVKJz VtnTYvwBVmFOWMMnSuMeI4sBJWXzxKJ6uzy3gepg=
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ietf.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.098
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: mail2.ietf.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail2.ietf.org ([166.84.6.31]) by localhost (mail2.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yfxWkwTLiqqS for <ietf@mail2.ietf.org>; Tue, 5 May 2026 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pl1-x635.google.com (mail-pl1-x635.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::635]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35FCDE95E6B3 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 5 May 2026 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pl1-x635.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-2b9fcf7c91bso28761665ad.0 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 05 May 2026 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1778000320; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20240605; b=OiFV8STT4xbbIQPjnHaYxlvu2iX4E7KQRgJ0Vr/HVBeuvzW2bUr3z8T7Tpz5IpxZ9v ofbWRl0LAXyk/7sqYL7ASi0MNtVjSVlnOZKi7fooabDp/W9me+qBmK9lQgZuObdMozcJ g7cPcXH/pW+6PkthWC3nmAvnIfnEQzjf4USFNsD2YIH1f4/TMdfeAeNr4Yuml6F1JIsH pR3aOcbX1f9alI/PzgFdtAnSbD9Rg+bVW4Ovs6clT0K9ZKkJYsgYI8huMkqcdNa2FXZi 4T+9+ZeZ1D0otvnrVbhyLQj9DnbwAzfdWXoivu7S/gj9Vx7wlkGO8liaWU0svbHdcLB6 xoMg==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20240605; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:dkim-signature; bh=jO5FO7K7Cw+z9vuNEH9px8v6oxrfxkKh+50Gilko5YE=; fh=eou+TLkv/z8f0bE4621YnPQEf7k+rqiHI/NqKY7tYC4=; b=hoHURJ7KfXuwiyQFUGIhSpUXnd8vhgWy0uLGzQ6AaEVUOTjzr9QXtSi6xtVqZfmNF1 37cO4NWJQElT05vVxoAXQKxCUIKJMkanWxya284/3i/e7za1m+gWlcFyOsiRCL+j5Pfg o/9CItTl1CLFfdotXF3ELXftX80PlV0P8OpnbNKnOqjjW+/KrJRpp+CtnH7mFXPlll5G qPNXM6OojxoT4iR9Aj+wIp4WosGdH7D1gpWtgJsaJDNq7gY/RdB+dMmaAAZTn2wnLfsh tgg+shydsg0LCVO4zCpces3iPEbR6q68dhvqAoNqNFoabNcChyVDuicrfWMtDYMEZkJA 6OHg==; darn=ietf.org
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20251104; t=1778000320; x=1778605120; darn=ietf.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=jO5FO7K7Cw+z9vuNEH9px8v6oxrfxkKh+50Gilko5YE=; b=OV2BZWrPW3zcCyUlTWKg/0dSELGG6Om7gaQiI6WvMAY96+vA+OcMlqxMPt7nNZjeo8 fcrC8KsuuHe2PQsuLhZKKsRNN9J9PQamT0OPy/MKiiXEWpWhB1MGbxZ34FMedJPJDuny D4DMs+iqw4qOvPuNsU8vzldDLdIyVTGI2Gtnxk/M3T+jV3a3r4bZwRB6pfmznOfNmNuB E41Cy/zlaqgspAm7gXeJa9DAKSnaPLqtzAKHLxJ4PEqJzCuKCS5pKabIQR1MUwLC4yn6 2VaV9PujlNW/XCmxVIEBE3XwQYHmp4RM7Aufkn0VFjJbr9HK6KduB0OXtmKImM5Wknqh BN4Q==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20251104; t=1778000320; x=1778605120; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=jO5FO7K7Cw+z9vuNEH9px8v6oxrfxkKh+50Gilko5YE=; b=PcSgB/DbY+pPtqxq/eQJnH0lJ7vwhsFVvTYJPDKXvCSLdTZffGVyxeIS7sWerL1L8C y4FW3DRBuOPk7XdIahXhTHibf/NAT2O6Tw6r/hEqYAfznc32TTbTGs6CDxPcT2caAWNZ 6NCHPMajbErPJr1VFEROoI6UMqpy91EwJW1YtlNW+NGu/nXEDMKGsDjPfWGTovXjRdvl 9+RFw4m8VH4T7yind1xxHUbSmWv+8Unpw8cGm5FMuib6nXIW42u570lQ/bUlJjG0CtcX drIG5joVmBs5FGH4r2IQ0t70m85ADMNtSzhnHR4diPJiPQJzBPBG5zv9fzPRn7Vges0b TO+Q==
X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AFNElJ9b5N8xVVqU8QDsisNetoTCSY3HYEKq8PewxYsXlklZMXkI8cERpqCeUeP9yac/NUKeQaQ/@ietf.org
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyOBatuyIvJCC74RuKI5ZFu7W/3eUBaTiNqI4azO+DLu17guu5g 9NuVLEeX1lv6oUMkG8A+/eD18FE8Qzz221Nhp2bIThjT3Z6aO4xoujzGL7n9SdUaiz1Z5A+poGf kc+Wh+ARyVbznwn8TI9G9pDadIiSY35o=
X-Gm-Gg: AeBDiev3wDUNBlwipfxeTBG4Vn090oLOcAOCHREjxLOrME1oggOxeB6/38Gzf8HZXMU 3EyyxIs0opYFqwqUVyKb4ii93TaE1zJ6PqlQ7bwN0GtH3o0sA5CQQjh5Z1kDdlyjrZ/uksTRl9d H74m3p8aCvXIMvEwYGG9ppv5z9uC1JpxLREL2nDslf4wlrquqovR0T+TtnX9pmSECmr9ffZg7PU yNpa8I0wZ8KxbyYCslVJaJoN1n0qr/LKsiMrzfkBkbJh/vxUSqmG5a8lTKHozldlU5Q0hLz/LV+ quhSSqKeuvwBDAixm8zjZrsAe3WK6aBJi+eYeg6kNmU+F8whahk=
X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:ea01:b0:2ba:6bd7:8eff with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-2ba6bd792bemr13256415ad.18.1778000320053; Tue, 05 May 2026 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <CAChr6Sw9NH=jFrnr+rB2aA7C7N9shgE1gjimQCxMvPW-0vh1HA@mail.gmail.com> <323b0599-475c-47ae-b3b1-beeeb2069eaf@gmail.com> <87cxzbd428.fsf@josefsson.org> <ffe1fea6-852d-427b-bd27-50fd2afbe714@gmail.com> <87a4uew9dl.fsf@josefsson.org>
In-Reply-To: <87a4uew9dl.fsf@josefsson.org>
From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 05 May 2026 09:58:28 -0700
X-Gm-Features: AVHnY4K43YG-E99hYYR1PEBJAANJVQ0qNZAImk0FSulotSpVGFoD_6YM6c446P8
Message-ID: <CAChr6Sz-6QVE9xeBwc68mCwuwy9oOqE8KsFoL9qa=nVy_XNg_A@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: List moderator action
To: Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007cc773065114f5e3"
Message-ID-Hash: ZRNXAUAQPJW7EWXC2MFKFVD6PKOMVV5A
X-Message-ID-Hash: ZRNXAUAQPJW7EWXC2MFKFVD6PKOMVV5A
X-MailFrom: sayrer@gmail.com
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-ietf.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
CC: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IETF-Discussion. This is the most general IETF mailing list, intended for discussion of technical, procedural, operational, and other topics for which no dedicated mailing lists exist." <ietf.ietf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/1hzXylWOjyrwErIKO67uE2P5cno>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:ietf-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:ietf-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-leave@ietf.org>

On Tue, May 5, 2026 at 1:25 AM Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> wrote:

>
> Where does it follow from https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ that
> IESG statements override BCP9, BCP78 etc?
>
> I can't find the term 'IESG statement' in any of BCP9, BCP78 etc
> documents.
>

Hi,

Yes, this is my point, even though I agree with the IESG statement.

That means we need Brad Biddle or equivalent to fix this one. What a mess.

thanks,
Rob