Re: Communications - Re: Ombudsteam update

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Tue, 29 January 2019 21:40 UTC

Return-Path: <warren@kumari.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D2B13101B for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:40:00 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.042
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.042 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.142, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ynzyucdFmkZO for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:39:58 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-wm1-x32d.google.com (mail-wm1-x32d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88FE1130ED7 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:39:58 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-wm1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id b11so19502265wmj.1 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:39:58 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cgEFaJx2aj+ySYA3FSPJd2glugf7xp7Pofo/yJ7xSUY=; b=1pSr4MaWxqF1kw/n3VOEb4aQriVqX+b31tuguhypKShEu76A0jZzPWu6oTSfBQ/eMe PdxJ4pRfevEBKudPZBqdKLyN6QWoruTZro+4b9AgvXCXtGT2mPhVdHzIZTfUjTmwylxy CWajdV9Y18aNqUDLDBN70CIZ4TUITDQCKg7o0++ujnMao1bF0eCAWXOZWtlEviKMakSM altiYgsNMGbmyeLzlswVFEXOkBZ7DXdpMte8fp9Q+hbK+GwlOCF8ZiM6/oX4JyVQL/jj BoHvTE8XZhcQQzckcuFgUIZ7G0v9Bfp673GUmfCmAOPFv2O4pqRJuJkGvc9N6/dkUuOf Pgtw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cgEFaJx2aj+ySYA3FSPJd2glugf7xp7Pofo/yJ7xSUY=; b=mxkUWGdkfknuqDli+iss8ex59X++KrvrDdxg2uJUVwGkmfgGz4674btYt98T6xJqUj KeZsoLpyw2UQSHi+aoPm6Jz+SSq/lxi8VUfS/HwnAfW5Q4mzj+vy+bQdx3dwBzN4JiVN 72zccMq7UrmBuYSy6aO4DB6717V8ffAl+tNZJ1TXM3BE1S7CEinxsdTVBrB7hUV7/oyu hy6GruIda6piFEXCGcjixWGr29lpFckAkFriVSLMrWkZZlvGwfIEaHX4qNhVVtvHw1hV 1gsqeI/yCmmRExZTi2AkEzcr0Z2YQmozGzE3URe76DRAW50sl8WsfNrohEk+RCfCu3Ja bJhA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukcCFmcItmIrwIxOpiv9jkX1BQXJC4dYzdf4RwDSY29VrmG5HrWD 3vTbV9Wbq6ZhOAXBjgFwunvg86VhEGVw7PONbgHo+A==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN5TvC8ZayJxsVBy6Kx0bPD9AjwPLToajQtnptZdF07PZk7343S08bw395PR/LdxPmD+YYJvCs+dj+zVPGmz4MY=
X-Received: by 2002:a1c:f605:: with SMTP id w5mr23748626wmc.116.1548797996592; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:39:56 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <82BCE48D-9B20-4819-82A0-BD8378AFBED5@ietf.org> <CADnDZ8_6SbSe3QP2FkWjW_fkDehiVUt9HPPAFyF1itz8ZfyBBA@mail.gmail.com> <CAP8yD=vAk1+pkPY9LQktV6mHKYC=uWRreV513W2rPj6U=jgtzg@mail.gmail.com> <CADnDZ88m51dADnQLkOMcLVtJY=3kOwGzCRFPu9YZJ9THednAHA@mail.gmail.com> <CAP8yD=uhp-GKoTg9BmO7vYAErDA2jKWF8uFjUV=_gd1Jd28wog@mail.gmail.com> <CADnDZ8875inB-tdadtVajYBJiZC-Tu++j+GYPUz=pEiNvGqcTw@mail.gmail.com> <AAE6C5D5-4272-4FE9-8F93-AE4B519C5C60@gmail.com> <1350007800.2431429.1548145535081@mail.yahoo.com> <CADnDZ8-_Tz0Np18cv4NLwr9Lre_sOs3PKCH2qpQSZcWh1p2CfQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAP8yD=sHJxNnfaUJSBaSJZeFMw_Vjmj-nbVPiJQa-KdCyKmqrg@mail.gmail.com> <206799583.4414486.1548712588216@mail.yahoo.com> <a028e9b3-7366-8715-34f2-935ae8683f83@comcast.net> <CAF4+nEGrN-ehSfLaSThHdofB_t+2K1RhB0Vq39SX9tTEe5JBiQ@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAF4+nEGrN-ehSfLaSThHdofB_t+2K1RhB0Vq39SX9tTEe5JBiQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 16:39:20 -0500
Message-ID: <CAHw9_iJfaxHnXiTkvkJeZRArsuzJkMnhf_UTAd6pnYqxzxeseA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Communications - Re: Ombudsteam update
To: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net>, IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006aa06205809fa2bf"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/1po6OCH0QxsKIs21a1FGUxZx1Ng>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:40:01 -0000

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 12:34 AM Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 5:53 PM Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > All technical communities have their own languages - that's just the
> > reality.  Learning to become fluent in that language is just the cost of
> > doing business.  Staying fluent is also part of the cost (cf the
> > discussions on git/github/etc).
>
> See RFC 4144, Section 9.
>

Actually, see RFC 4144, Sections 1-12...

I'd never seen this RFC before, but after reading Section 9 I went and read
the rest -- my standard advice to newcomers is "Read the Tao", but I think
it will now be "Read the Tao *and* RFC4144..." -- for those, like me, who
hadn't read this before, it is well worth the few minutes it will take to
read...

This falls into the category of "one of the good ones",
Ace.



>
> Thanks,
> Donald
> =============================
>  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
>  1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA
>  d3e3e3@gmail.com
>
> > Later, Mike
>
>

-- 
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
pants.
   ---maf