Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-related topics
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 16 October 2020 02:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-related topics
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Cc: Greg Wood <ghwood@ietf.org>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:01:55 +1300
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On 16-Oct-20 14:19, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > >> On 16 Oct 2020, at 11:46 am, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> Who is fact-checking this? >> >> For example, in the archive I see: >> >> "The HTTP Range Requests standard has been under discussion at the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) for more than half a decade,..." >> >> There is no such thing as the HTTP Range Requests standard. There is a draft "draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics" that replaced an earlier draft "draft-ietf-httpbis-range". Maybe one day the current draft will proceed through WG Last Call, AD review, IETF Last Call, and an IESG ballot, and finally be approved as a Proposed Standard. Or maybe not. > > Just a nit - range requests were first standardised as part of RFC2068 (1997), then revised in RFC2616 (1999) and split out into a separate RFC7233 (2014); they're currently being folded back into draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics. Well, that's more than a nit, but I think it strengthens the case for fact checking and for a strong disclaimer. Replicating "news" items that are often nothing more than PR pieces already replicated by lazy journalists could put us in an invidious position. Regards Brian > > All of that said, I agree that the statement "The HTTP Range Requests standard has been under discussion at the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) for more than half a decade" is very odd - it's more like ~25 years. > > Still, this is a news clipping service; if we have problems with the contents of the articles, we need to go back to the sources... > > Cheers, > >> >> We constantly have to push back on claims that drafts are IETF standards; it's a bit disturbing when such false claims appear in our own output. >> >> A bit further on I see "互联网工程任务组IETF主席的Brian E.Carpenter教授发表了". No, I can't suddenly read and write Chinese; this was translated with my permission from https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~brian/InterOmnesNovasRete.html . >> >> Apart from fact-checking, I think we need a prominent disclaimer on each edition that this is *not* information from the IETF and that is does *not* express the opinion of the IETF, ISOC, or anyone else in particular. >> >> Regards >> Brian >> >> On 16-Oct-20 04:04, Greg Wood wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> With the aim of better tracking where, when, and how IETF-related issues are presented in a variety of news outlets and other online publications, we have set up a weekly email to provide a collection of stories published around the world curated by David Goldstein. [1] >>> >>> Based on positive reactions so far, we are inviting anyone from this list to sign up via: >>> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/newsclips >>> >>> Archives are openly available and the preface to the first edition from the test period provides a bit more background about the approach: >>> >>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/newsclips/4py4Y7OPXvJ9MjesGAZEGs8Oe0o/ >>> >>> Please let me know if you have any questions. >>> >>> Feedback and suggestions are always welcome. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> -Greg >>> >>> [1] https://goldsteinreport.com/about/ >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Greg Wood >>> ghwood@ietf.org >>> +1-703-625-3917 >>> >> > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > >
- Weekly curated news stories about IETF-related to… Greg Wood
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… John C Klensin
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Jay Daley
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… John C Klensin
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Salz, Rich
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Keith Moore
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… John C Klensin
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Bob Hinden
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Michael Richardson
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Larry Masinter
- Re: Weekly curated news stories about IETF-relate… Greg Wood