Re: Resignation request
Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> Mon, 02 March 2020 20:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: Resignation request
To: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>
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From: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
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Sander Steffann wrote on 02/03/2020 20:32: > Steamrolling a draft through a working group completely undermines > the whole idea of the IETF and greatly damages it trustworthiness and > reliability. By bluntly declaring consensus despite all of the > objections within two hours of the latest version of the draft being > published I feel that Martin Vigoureux has lost the credibility as an > AD. I strongly feel a resignation is in order at this point. There's been a really serious breach of due process here. The issues that cropped up on around draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming are subtle and not easily resolved. What is beginning to emerge as consensus is that there are underlying problems with 8200 that need examination and careful resolution. Frankly, it is rather difficult to see how the srv6 draft can progress without this clarification. For sure there's no basis for someone to throw a couple of extra sentences into a draft and then for an AD to declare consensus two hours later - and before anyone's had the chance to even read the draft. At the very least, the consensus judgement needs to be rolled back. I respectfully suggest that Martin needs to recuse himself from any further involvement with this draft, and that he should consider whether his actions are compatible with continuing to be an AD. Nick
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- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
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- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Melchior Aelmans
- Re: Resignation request Job Snijders
- Re: Resignation request Ted Hardie
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Resignation request Andrew Alston
- Re: Resignation request Keith Moore
- Re: Resignation request Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Resignation request Stewart Bryant
- Re: Resignation request Loa Andersson
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- Re: Resignation request Alex Bogdanov
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- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Warren Kumari
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Paul Wouters
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Andrew Alston
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Fernando Gont
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) S Moonesamy
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Paul Wouters
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) S Moonesamy
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Eric Rescorla
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Larry Masinter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Eric Rescorla
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Larry Masinter