Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA

Dean Willis <> Fri, 06 September 2013 00:17 UTC

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Subject: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA
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This is bigger than the "perpass" list.

I suggested that the surveillance/broken crypto challenge represents "damage to the Internet". I'm not the only one thinking that way.

I'd like to share the challenge raised by Bruce Schneier in:

To quote:

We need to know how exactly how the NSA and other agencies are subverting routers, switches, the internet backbone, encryption technologies and cloud systems. I already have five stories from people like you, and I've just started collecting. I want 50. There's safety in numbers, and this form of civil disobedience is the moral thing to do.

Two, we can design. We need to figure out how to re-engineer the internet to prevent this kind of wholesale spying. We need new techniques to prevent communications intermediaries from leaking private information.

We can make surveillance expensive again. In particular, we need open protocols, open implementations, open systems – these will be harder for the NSA to subvert.

The Internet Engineering Task Force, the group that defines the standards that make the internet run, has a meeting planned for early November in Vancouver. This group needs dedicate its next meeting to this task. This is an emergency, and demands an emergency response.

The gauntlet is in our face. What are we going to do about it?

Dean Willis