Re: IPv4 outage at next IETF in Chicago

Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Wed, 25 January 2017 08:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: IPv4 outage at next IETF in Chicago
To: Franck Martin <franck@peachymango.org>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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On 24/01/2017 23:11, Franck Martin wrote:
> I think it is time to move to the next level of IPv6 deployment.
>
> Ideally the IETF WiFi network should now only provide the following 2 
> networks:
> 1)IPv6-only
> 2)IPv6-only with NAT64
>
> The later should be the default network.
>
> However you would say, well some stuff will break, some non technical 
> people will use the IETF network and may have a bad experience, etc...
>
> So to be conservative but at the same time futurist and like it was 
> done a few years back, why not create again an IPv4 outage of a few 
> hours where the above 2 networks would be the only networks available?
>
> Depending on results, this outage could be expanded to a full day at 
> the following meeting, until the IPv4 network is totally removed from 
> the WiFi?

How about those that designed IPv6 and their ADs subject themselves to 
this regime and report to the rest of us how they got on?

- Stewart