Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request)

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Wed, 11 March 2020 22:52 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 15:52:15 -0700
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Subject: Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request)
To: Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org>
Cc: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:50 PM Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org> wrote:

> Nico wrote
>
> Then take this to the limit.  Suppose we did some number TLS extensions
> this way, with several overlapping somewhat, but in ways the authors did
> not care to unify.  What would happen?
>
>
>
> -Ekr wrote:
>
> > Well, we're running this experiment now, and have been ever since late
> 2018, so I guess we'll find out. So far it does not seem to have been an
> issue.
>
>
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> The “running code” part of “ rough consensus” seems useful in resolving
> disputes about a working group dropping or disagreeing to some work.
>

Perhaps.


However, what we found is that we were spending quite a bit of time
evaluating documents when what the authors really wanted was a code point.
This change has reduced the need for that.


-Ekr