Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries
Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Thu, 04 March 2021 20:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2021 21:16:09 +0100
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> On 4 Mar 2021, at 21:03, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote: > > I think it makes sense to work on the issues that actually seem to be addressable before working on the issues that do not seem addressible, But you’re not doing that, Keith. You are proposing a solution (e.g., rehoming the LLC or its parent) without exploring the problem first. Have you a single example of where the LLC home was even an issue? Eliot
- IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… Bill Woodcock
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Livingood, Jason
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… Nico Williams
- Re: [admin-discuss] IETF LLC & IETF Participation… Fernando Gont
- Re: [admin-discuss] IETF LLC & IETF Participation… Keith Moore
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Stewart Bryant
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Livingood, Jason
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… S Moonesamy
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Lars Eggert
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fred Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Christian Huitema
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Bob Hinden
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fred Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Toerless Eckert
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Toerless Eckert
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Khashayar Danesh