Re: IETF Last Call for two IPR WG Dcouments

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 28 March 2008 21:58 UTC

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:57:58 +1300
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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To: Ted Hardie <hardie@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: IETF Last Call for two IPR WG Dcouments
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Cc: Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org>, "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
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+1. I couldn't express it better.

   Brian

On 2008-03-29 04:54, Ted Hardie wrote:
> At 8:16 AM -0700 3/28/08, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>> "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> writes:
>>
>>> I do not understand the problem you want addressed.  The way this is
>>> worded, it doesn't matter what "open source" or "free software" is or
>>> becomes.  The intention is to grant anyone to do anything with the code
>>> segments.  That's what we ask the trust to do. Further in line.
>> The problem is that without proper guidelines on how to make a software
>> license compatible with free software licenses, it is possible to end up
>> with something that won't be compatible, and thus wouldn't meet the
>> intended goals.
>>
>> Given that the IETF Trust doesn't publish drafts or have a history of
>> asking for community review on the legal license they chose, I believe
>> it is important that the IETF articulate its wishes in ways that reduce
>> chances of misunderstandings or are open for interpretation.
> 
> I disagree with Simon's addition.  The intent of the document is to
> give the Trust instructions from the community that we want
> the code in RFCs to be available to anyone to do anything.
> As Joel put it:
> 
> "The intention is to grant anyone to do anything with the code
> segments.  That's what we ask the trust to do. "
> 
> That was the consensus of the working group, and I believe it
> should remain the consensus of the IETF as a whole--it gives
> the widest possible reach to the standard.  Crafting the legal
> language to make that work is a task best left to lawyers;
> adding specific compatibility requirements that appear
> to privilege one set of follow-on outputs is both confusing and ultimately
> pointless.  The language in the draft is clear that we want
> the code to be usable by *anyone*.  It wouldn't add anything
> to that mandate to list specific individuals, and it doesn't
> add anything to list specific licenses that will only apply
> after an individual has already used the code.
> 
> 			regards,
> 					Ted
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