Re: IETF Last Call for two IPR WG Dcouments
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 28 March 2008 21:58 UTC
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:57:58 +1300
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Organization: University of Auckland
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To: Ted Hardie <hardie@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: IETF Last Call for two IPR WG Dcouments
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Cc: Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org>, "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
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+1. I couldn't express it better. Brian On 2008-03-29 04:54, Ted Hardie wrote: > At 8:16 AM -0700 3/28/08, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> writes: >> >>> I do not understand the problem you want addressed. The way this is >>> worded, it doesn't matter what "open source" or "free software" is or >>> becomes. The intention is to grant anyone to do anything with the code >>> segments. That's what we ask the trust to do. Further in line. >> The problem is that without proper guidelines on how to make a software >> license compatible with free software licenses, it is possible to end up >> with something that won't be compatible, and thus wouldn't meet the >> intended goals. >> >> Given that the IETF Trust doesn't publish drafts or have a history of >> asking for community review on the legal license they chose, I believe >> it is important that the IETF articulate its wishes in ways that reduce >> chances of misunderstandings or are open for interpretation. > > I disagree with Simon's addition. The intent of the document is to > give the Trust instructions from the community that we want > the code in RFCs to be available to anyone to do anything. > As Joel put it: > > "The intention is to grant anyone to do anything with the code > segments. That's what we ask the trust to do. " > > That was the consensus of the working group, and I believe it > should remain the consensus of the IETF as a whole--it gives > the widest possible reach to the standard. Crafting the legal > language to make that work is a task best left to lawyers; > adding specific compatibility requirements that appear > to privilege one set of follow-on outputs is both confusing and ultimately > pointless. The language in the draft is clear that we want > the code to be usable by *anyone*. It wouldn't add anything > to that mandate to list specific individuals, and it doesn't > add anything to list specific licenses that will only apply > after an individual has already used the code. > > regards, > Ted > _______________________________________________ > IETF mailing list > IETF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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