Re: SHOULD vs MUST (was Re: Review of draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery-07)
Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> Wed, 25 June 2008 07:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: SHOULD vs MUST (was Re: Review of
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On 21 jun 2008, at 15:31, Lawrence Conroy wrote: > the SHOULD means "do this unless...", > and the last phrase covers the "unless". > I had read 2119 to mean that a MUST was unconditional > - do this or be non-complaint. > Do you believe that MUST can have an "unless" clause? > Doesn't this mean that any SHOULD with an explicit "unless" will > need to be changed into a MUST - could you expand on this, please? The difference is that with a SHOULD, the reader may come up with her own "unless". Also note the difference between the two sides in a client-server protocol. I recently used SHOULD where I would have liked to use MUST but existing clients don't conform to the MUST so I used SHOULD to indicate that servers must support clients that don't have the feature. _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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- Re: Review of draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-... Eric Rescorla
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- Re: SHOULD vs MUST (was Re: Review of draft-iet... Eric Rescorla
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- Re: SHOULD vs MUST (was Re: Review of draft-iet... Dave Cridland
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- Re: SHOULD vs MUST Fred Baker
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- Re: SHOULD vs MUST John C Klensin
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST Fred Baker
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- Re: SHOULD vs MUST John C Klensin
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST Scott Brim
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST Dean Willis
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- Re: SHOULD vs MUST Dave Crocker
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST Dave Cridland
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST Iljitsch van Beijnum
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- RE: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Eric Gray
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Julian Reschke
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Keith Moore
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- RE: SHOULD vs MUST Eric Gray
- SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Dave Crocker
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity C. M. Heard
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Iljitsch van Beijnum
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- Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Dave Crocker
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Dave Crocker
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Randy Presuhn
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Keith Moore
- Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Dave Crocker
- RE: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity Eric Gray
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