Re: Remote participation fees [Re: Updating BCP 10 -- NomCom ELEGIBILITY]

Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> Sat, 14 February 2015 21:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: Remote participation fees [Re: Updating BCP 10 -- NomCom ELEGIBILITY]
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+1

Ray


> On Feb 14, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14/02/15 18:21, Mary Barnes wrote:
>> And, actually this is already happening with Meetecho.
> 
> I think we ought forget about charging for remote attendance until
> remote attendance is much better. Remotely attending IETF-91 via
> meetecho was a good bit better than I expected but is nowhere near
> the point where we could charge. Let's make it work first, and then
> see how that affects attendance and then figure out charging models
> and not try do that backwards by starting to discuss charging models
> for something that doesn't yet exist.
> 
> S.
>