Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...)

"Charles E. Perkins" <charliep@iprg.nokia.com> Thu, 27 March 2003 23:40 UTC

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From: "Charles E. Perkins" <charliep@iprg.nokia.com>
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Subject: Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...)
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Hello folks,

I was there, and it wasn't so black and white.
It's not fair to characterize it so.

I suspect that most people there, who voted for
the elimination of site-locals, would still be
favor of enabling the features that site-locals
were intended to offer.  Perhaps the majority
position could be paraphrased as "against site-local,
but sorry to see them go".

My own vote was for elimination, but I think it
will be a mistake if there isn't a way for people
to get unique prefixes practically for free.

Regards,
Charlie P.


Keith Moore wrote:
> 
> > This is so typical of the modern IETF -- 102 people were persuaded
> > by handwaving arguments that "something bad might happen" if a new
> > and useful technique were deployed, and they are being allowed to
> > overwhelm the 20 who were willing to dig in and find and solve any
> > real problems.
> 
> uh, no.  102 people finally understood just how comprehensively broken
> SLs are, and managed to finally overwhelm the 20 or so who were still in
> compete denial about it.
> 
> Keith