Re: The ecosystem is moving

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Fri, 13 May 2016 16:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: The ecosystem is moving
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
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Moxie has never really been interested in the standards game. He just likes
doing code.

If we want this to be really open, we have to put our own proposal on the
table.

I am currently trying to do just that.


On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> wrote:

> I scribbled a response to Moxie's blog post from the perspective of
> someone heavily involved in XMPP here:
> https://medium.com/@dwdbah/federation-privacy-and-user-experience-c158547f07f5
>
> TL;DR: He has some valid points, but his conclusions are very self-serving.
>
> On 12 May 2016 at 16:37, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
>
>> There was always compuserv.
>>
>> And it is sad for everyone that we now have OTR, axolotl, double
>> ratcheting and "signal tm".
>>
>> Moxie started with OTR, migrated it to ECC and fragmented the encrypted
>> IM community. It seems that now he has made it worse due to IPR.
>>
>> Sad,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On May 11, 2016, at 08:55, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > A very interesting paper (I said "intesresting", I didn't say I
>> > agree!) on open networks where independant nodes with independently
>> > developed programs interoperate thanks to standards. The author claims
>> > closed and centralized systemes are better, because they allow faster
>> > evolution (he uses security as an example).
>> >
>> > Many IETF cases mentioned (XMPP, IPv6, email...)
>> >
>> > https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
>>
>>
>