Re: BCP97bis
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Sun, 17 October 2021 02:31 UTC
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From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: BCP97bis
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It appears that Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> said: >If I have this right (and Scott Bradner will probably correct me if >I'm wrong), the basic rules in RFC2026 section 7.1.1 recognize the reality >that some open standards are essential and unavoidable references which >are not available free of charge to the general public. > >To be clear, the phrase "open standard" in that section doesn't >mean "free of charge". (Long essay on what it *does* mean elided.) As I am sure you are aware, our model of giving away copies of our standards for free used to be extremely unusual, and is still far from universal. Historically, SDOs like ANSI and ISO got a lot of their funding from selling paper copies of their standards. I have a bunch of paper ANSI standards that I bought a long time ago, at their office in Times Square and paid with a paper check. R's. John PS: It probably would be best not to inquire too closely about the status of RFC 20.
- BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Russ Housley
- Re: BCP97bis Scott Bradner
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis David Farmer
- Re: BCP97bis Brian Carpenter
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Scott Bradner
- Re: BCP97bis Russ Housley
- Re: BCP97bis Salz, Rich
- Re: BCP97bis Michael Richardson
- Re: BCP97bis and Informational-as-Standard Michael Richardson
- RE: BCP97bis Larry Masinter
- Re: BCP97bis Joel M. Halpern
- Re: BCP97bis Michael Richardson
- Re: BCP97bis Brian E Carpenter
- RE: BCP97bis Larry Masinter
- Re: BCP97bis John Levine
- Re: BCP97bis Scott Bradner
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis Carsten Bormann
- Re: BCP97bis Salz, Rich
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis Brian E Carpenter
- Re: BCP97bis Russ Housley
- Re: BCP97bis Carsten Bormann
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis Carsten Bormann
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis Michael Richardson
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Carsten Bormann
- Re: BCP97bis Carsten Bormann
- Re: BCP97bis tom petch
- RE: BCP97bis mohamed.boucadair
- RE: BCP97bis ned+ietf
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- BCP97bis and "freely available" John C Klensin
- RE: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis Salz, Rich
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis Salz, Rich
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Salz, Rich
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Salz, Rich
- RE: BCP97bis mohamed.boucadair
- Re: BCP97bis a process problem tom petch
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Warren Kumari
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Lars Eggert
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Warren Kumari
- Re: BCP97bis Salz, Rich
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" Scott O. Bradner
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" Brian E Carpenter
- Re: BCP97bis John C Klensin
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" Michael Richardson
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" John C Klensin
- BCP written by another AD [was Re: BCP97bis] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: BCP97bis a process problem Brian E Carpenter
- Re: BCP97bis Michael Richardson
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" Sandy Wills
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" Michael StJohns
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" George Michaelson
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" Randy Presuhn
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" George Michaelson
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" Brian E Carpenter
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" Salz, Rich
- Re: BCP97bis a process problem Michael Richardson
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" Michael Richardson
- RE: BCP97bis ned+ietf
- Re: BCP97bis a process problem Brian E Carpenter
- Re: BCP97bis and "freely available" tom petch
- Re: BCP97bis a process problem tom petch
- Re: BCP written by another AD [was Re: BCP97bis] Erik Kline
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: BCP97bis Salz, Rich
- Re: BCP97bis Murray S. Kucherawy