Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 02 November 2016 16:38 UTC
Return-Path: <mellon@fugue.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F314C129466 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:38:33 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.601
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IZh4d1k9RgjG for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lf0-x232.google.com (mail-lf0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D156812950C for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lf0-x232.google.com with SMTP id c13so17797956lfg.0 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=x1Slrjw3Wja73YVyF31WzxYAVHAshiJklroedZ8wIp4=; b=dcKvuuY3ntQBIDE5deGI0+BAdF83O6BWAOW4CX46GXoaHtRMc1aDZZupHJCn7YB9yp W5ukZ//+c80LDOp+kEu3CLbR8n1gne5SzyMUUTw1uuEErd/pQPAUFZSfqs32J6MYPeix JsSeMsi1N28rBkZj6tSApb9HKq6LDms9RXjwfriGCdKZ4jvwD+FwZRzKt9+EREbwEGxv rg+YxDiGtSzD5QOtbi8GhqxjrsPMkL4Q3NsO5ipVA+JC3zpfc3Mr1PhgLkDzo8+xqmgG Cx2C58DfAHtIrYg3BJpDlK9x7ThD1Qig0eOZNAuf7nVLE/2xvXRC/P10XNy1lvMC4Df4 k7Hw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=x1Slrjw3Wja73YVyF31WzxYAVHAshiJklroedZ8wIp4=; b=aaeeU/msgfYwcvvcY3B9W5yOeMTlHbehtfhsXyKWtGMEL1sisk9EmzDOxZzImE5RAF 8sKFNAqWn4NDD7KwpyZ0Ujrvz7MgLceovtw87OTSDS3n5zYZLQpKl/HN29VZYuaX2yAk zFzf7wB5NWV9BrbQ0krplBbcmObXlZ0/zIfWK05iP8D7OP2r9CoGlvkhCm8oBxvdgYeI +p8iI0BMWuT6yXS0nLqvRdLrRjQXxZ1v9sRDescsIPnpRsyqCJNoLkbUhyduxW5q0PhQ 34rjr+qvL+jhbqE6sMJ/BrqjMT0XvLNpDt9ezI2pWO+12gxQ6z/wX3PAtXJsuFv8p/wa xJoA==
X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngveA+VcMHWyzTBN0/1LQmfhOajh0Q4uWiO34oQ33g6oBunN41u9KSsK9Lv/AmnzagE9ODEFNfM9u//x5qw==
X-Received: by 10.25.18.201 with SMTP id 70mr2385493lfs.78.1478104709683; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:38:29 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.25.160.202 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <20161102163641.66951.qmail@ary.lan>
References: <678C2FBA-A661-4556-A300-5C08562B5F8A@iii.ca> <20161102163641.66951.qmail@ary.lan>
From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 12:37:49 -0400
Message-ID: <CAPt1N1k1wg9mbN-guuarFP0NvX7v-suOY-bP=TDEOCVhK-epmg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/4Nk7AZKipBL6zFWJraJWX-BqGFo>
Cc: ietf <ietf@ietf.org>, fluffy@iii.ca
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 16:38:34 -0000
And yet it is still happening, despite there being a great deal of discussion in the archives... :/ On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 12:36 PM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > In article <678C2FBA-A661-4556-A300-5C08562B5F8A@iii.ca> you write: >>So if someone send a email with a bad signature to an IETF list from a domain that has a reject >>policy, and the IETF server forwards it to my email email provider, my email provider rejects it. Now >>the IETF email server counts that as a bounce. Too many bounces in a row and the IETF server >>unsubscribes me from the list. > > This is a well known DMARC failure mode that has been discussed at > great length on this very list. Please see the archives. > >>What's the right advice on how the IETF server should be run? > > This is a topic that has been discussed at great length on this very > list. Please see the archives. ALso look for ARC which is a DMARC > band-aid in development that's supposed to mitigate DMARC damage. > >>If Jana sends the email directly to me, it works. This seems to point at the IETF server is doing >>something that breaks signature in Jana email. > > This is a well known DMARC failure mode that has been discussed at > great length on this very list. Please see the archives. > > R's, > John >
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Dave Crocker
- IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Cullen Jennings
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- RE: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC MH Michael Hammer (5304)
- RE: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John R Levine
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Dave Crocker
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Paul Hoffman
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John C Klensin
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Yoav Nir
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Yoav Nir
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Brandon Long
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Cullen Jennings
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC S Moonesamy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- Identification of an email author (was - Re: [dma… Dave Crocker
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Theodore Ts'o
- RE: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Terry Zink
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Theodore Ts'o
- Next step on IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Alexey Melnikov
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Bob Hinden
- RE: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC MH Michael Hammer (5304)
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- RE: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Terry Zink
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Steve Atkins
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Theodore Ts'o
- Options for temporary operational solution to DMA… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Brandon Long
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Brandon Long
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Franck Martin
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Hector Santos
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John C Klensin
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John C Klensin
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… John Leslie
- RE: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Terry Zink
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Ted Lemon
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… John Levine
- RE: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Terry Zink
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… Ted Lemon
- RE: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Christian Huitema
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… Michael Richardson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Franck Martin
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Khaled Omar
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… S Moonesamy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Brandon Long
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… ned+ietf
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Franck Martin
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… John C Klensin
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Brandon Long