Re: yet more DMARC stuff, was Re: Mailing list membership.
Philip Homburg <pch-ietf-6@u-1.phicoh.com> Mon, 13 March 2017 21:21 UTC
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>If your work around is to use ip4 to send to us, that's fine. The >percentage of spam mail on ip6 is higher than on ip4. Our own outgoing >code makes choices on whether to use ip6 or ip4 based on expected >authentication level, and it is ugly. I don't like ugly, but I don't like >spam either. At the moment, my setup is identical for IPv4 and IPv6, with of course a preference for IPv6. If gmail would first return a 4xy then I would never notice, because my mail server would retry over IPv4. Unfortunately, every now and then gmail returns a 5xy for no reason on my side. Then I resend the same e-mail from my MUA and it gets accepted. I don't know why gmail seems to turn transient errors into permanent failures at the SMTP level. As far as I can tell, that is unique to gmail.
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