Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.txt

[Bob Hinden <[e-mail]>]

I agree with Brian’s comments about this having to update BCP 101 and think it get too much into how the IAB currently organizes itself.

The document reads like the IAB Chair position on the IAOC will be replaced by an committee (aka IAB Program).  The person in this role is a voting member of the IAOC and IETF Trust, and needs to be able to exercise their judgement in real time.  It’s going to be a problem operationally if they have to consult the committee before voting.  I think this needs some more work in the document.

The description in the draft of what this committee does seem like a subset of the IAOC and Trust responsibilities (one example, it doesn’t include meeting venue decisions).  It’s a lot more than just reviewing “correspondence”, it's also about how the IAOC  works toward decisions.  I don’t know if that was intentional or not.  I would think not, but it’s not clear.

Also, I suspect in practice that the IAB chair doesn’t spend a lot of time reviwing things like RFPs, IAOC and Trust minutes, and other reports, so moving this to the IAB committee isn’t that important.  They are there for the bigger issues.

While I understand the motivation behind this, I think that the current structure for the IAOC and IETF Trust has worked well when we face significant issues.  The IANA transition is the latest of these, but it’s clear there will be more.  I think it’s been very important that IAB chair is directly involved in how the IAOC responds to IETF and Internet community issues. Not having the IAB Chair directly involved has downsides that are not described in the document.

Further, it seems to me that the next phase of the IANA transition where the implementation starts is going to see a bigger load on the IAOC and IETF Trust.  A lot of decisions will have to be made and having the IAB Chair at the table is going to be important.

Bob

> On Feb 2, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think this draft mixes up two things.
> 
> (1) A proposal that the IAB Chair's ex officio seat in the IAOC be changed
> to be a seat for an IAB voting member designated by the IAB. That of course
> can only be achieved by an RFC that formally updates RFC 4071 and so becomes
> part of BCP 101.
> 
> (2) A description of some IAB internal organisational matters, which the IAB
> is clearly free to arrange how it wants, and publish if it wants. IAB
> internal arrangements don't need to be BCPs.
> 
> I've got nothing to say about (2).
> 
> About (1), I think we should hear the pros and cons, because I doubt if
> this proposal arose in a vacuum. In particular, how would this help the
> IAOC be more effective and more responsive to community concerns?
> 
> Regards
>   Brian Carpenter
> 
> On 03/02/2016 07:20, [e-mail] wrote:
>> 
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>> 
>> 
>>        Title           : Updating the ex-officio member of the IAB in the IAOC
>>        Authors         : Ted Hardie
>>                          Andrew Sullivan
>>                          Russ Housley
>> 	Filename        : draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.txt
>> 	Pages           : 4
>> 	Date            : 2016-02-02
>> 
>> Abstract:
>>   At the time the IETF Administrative Oversight Committee was set up
>>   the Internet Architecture Board had an internal structure
>>   significantly different from its current structure.  This document
>>   aims to update the ex officio member from the IAB who serves on the
>>   IAOC in order to better account for that change and better match the
>>   skills set out in RFC 4333.
>> 
>> 
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update/
>> 
>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00
>> 
>> 
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