Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks

Aaron Falk <aafalk@akamai.com> Wed, 19 April 2017 15:44 UTC

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From: Aaron Falk <aafalk@akamai.com>
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CC: joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:43:47 -0400
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On 19 Apr 2017, at 11:02, Dave Crocker wrote:

> On 4/19/2017 7:53 AM, joel jaeggli wrote:
>> Time to meet and space work with your co-authors and collaborators is 
>> a
>> pretty important part of why IETF meetings have any value at all to 
>> me
>> as an individual contributor.
>
> If there is serious interest in having more unstructured time 
> available, remove less-productive wg sessions and reconsider carefully 
> each of the ewstablished 'extra-curricular' time slots that are 
> scheduled -- my own favorite target is Bits-n-Bites -- for possible 
> elimination.
>

Not this is a significant problem.  I manage this by not going to 
meetings that have uninteresting agendas.  Same for Bits-n-Bytes.  C.f.  
George Michaelson’s 
[talk](http://snaggletooth.akam.ai/Chicago-videos/05-george-michaelson-8.mp4) 
about having IETF meetings in the hallways…

—aaron