Re: Proposed Update to Note Well
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Fri, 22 June 2012 14:36 UTC
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On 6/21/12 9:50 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> > > > With all due respect, that sentence could be improved. > > Agree with others; splitting it up into two simpler sentences is an > improvement. > > A tweak, though (you lost something in the second sentence): > > Anything that you write, say, or discuss in the IETF, formally or informally, > either at an IETF meeting, or in another IETF venue, such as a mailing > list, is an IETF contribution. If any contribution of yours is covered by > a patent or patent application made by you or your employer, you or they > must disclose that. > > The original allowed the employer to make the disclosure (since, after all, > the employee may not know of all patent filings), and also had a positive > requirement to make such a disclosure; this revised one brings all that back. At the risk of starting a long thread about "we all contribute as individuals", I'll note that traditionally the IPR rules have applied to real people, not corporations. It's not the employee's responsibility to know of all patent filings, and our IPR rules don't make that assumption; we say only that if you have such knowledge and you make a contribution that is based on such knowledge, you need to disclose the IPR. If you don't want to disclose, you don't need to make a contribution. I suppose it is fine to say "you or they need to disclose it", but leaving it up to the faceless "they" might give individuals the idea that this is all about corporations and not about each of us as individual participants at the IETF. And somehow we also lost the point about "you know" or "you believe" along the way. Thus I'd be more happier with something like this: Anything that you write, say, or discuss in the IETF, formally or informally, either at an IETF meeting or in another IETF venue such as a mailing list, is an IETF contribution. If you believe that any contribution of yours is covered by a patent or patent application made by you or your employer, you must disclose that fact or arrange for your employer to disclose it on your behalf. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/
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