Re: Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100

Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Fri, 27 May 2016 06:36 UTC

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Dave Crocker wrote:

>      We need a clear and complete statement of the social and legal
> realities that are to be used to disqualify a venue.  We need that
> statement to have IETF rough consensus.

No, we shouldn't.

Having such a statement will make people in the disqualified
countries less accessible to ISOC activities and is against
by-laws of ISOC that:

	The Internet Society's mission is to promote the open
	development, evolution, and use of the Internet for the
	benefit of all people throughout the world.

We must acknowledge cultural diversity and have meeting with
various locations with cultural diversity, which means
culture to ban or damn LGBT must not be excluded.

						Masataka Ohta