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RE: IPv4 outage at next IETF in Chicago

"Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Wed, 25 January 2017 14:49 UTC

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Subject: RE: IPv4 outage at next IETF in Chicago
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:49:17 -0000
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Yes, it wasn't clear to me whether this was experimentation, punishment,
torture, or hair-shirt.

If the purpose is experimentation, I urge you to experiment with willing
participants. Entice, don't coerce.

It could be very valuable to set up various v6-only networks with different
tools and methodologies, and invite us all to try them out. This would be best
done with some feedback mechanisms (a simple form showing, OS and version,
applications, experiences?) and might show that at future IETFs we could run
specific networks.

Adrian
 
> Coercion is becoming an essential part of the US's new political
> paradigm, but the IETF is an international organization and needn't
> embrace it.

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