Re: [123attendees] Re: [122attendees] Toward Inclusive Participation– Community Dialogue on Venue Selection (draft-attoumani-ietf-inclusion)

[Tobias Fiebig <[e-mail]>]

Moin,
and while we are at it, it is never a bad idea to also remember the
(far too often) forgotten pioneers of computing. ;-)

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Grace Hopper on Nanoseconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eyFDBPk4Yw

Capt. Grace Hopper on Future Possibilities: Data, Hardware, Software,
and People
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si9iqF5uTFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW7ZHpKuqZg

Grace Hopper: The Original Pirate Hacker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEC30qhXPp0

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Biography of Melba Roy Mouton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV2sCLoQl90
(And a shorter version from NASA; Before they depublish that... -.-')
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzywfRuT7-U

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Talk on Hedy Lamarr (yes; the actor. Known as an "eccentric and
difficult beauty queen", then died impoverished while others made cash
from her invention that er... well; Is somewhat important even
today...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv_14abUBKw

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With best regards,
Tobias


On Tue, 2025-06-10 at 23:19 +0200, Frantisek Borsik wrote:
> Good reasoning, Michael!
> 
> Btw, to answer your last question, I can recommend 2 best books on
> the topic :-)
> 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Frank
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
> 
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> 
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 at 9:50 PM, Michael De Roover <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 10, 2025 12:33:11 AM CEST Deb Cooley wrote:
> > > If you attended remotely, there are unlimited fee waivers for
> > > remote
> > > attendance.  As Kyle says, the video teleconferencing situation
> > > is pretty
> > > spectacular.
> > > For in person attendance, there are a small number of fee
> > > waivers, but they
> > > are much harder to get.
> > > 
> > > In both cases, a fee waiver has to be applied for.
> > > 
> > > So if you did the hackathon in Madrid and/or splurged for the
> > > workshop in
> > > Madrid (or received one of the small number of fee waivers), you
> > > could
> > > attend Montreal remotely on a fee waiver.
> > > 
> > > In all of those cases, you need to figure out which working
> > > groups interest
> > > you, read the mail list, review the drafts, etc.
> > > 
> > > Deb Cooley
> > 
> > Hi Deb, thank you for this reply! The fee waivers being unlimited
> > for remote 
> > attendance is quite nice, I'd imagine that to make them much easier
> > to get 
> > yeah. For the first time attendance (I have never attended IETF
> > before), 
> > perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea. That way it fits easier into
> > scheduling too. 
> > For this time in Madrid, I unfortunately already have another
> > flight and stay 
> > planned. But I have already stuck a pin into this for a while, and
> > would like 
> > to take the plunge in the not too distant future.
> > 
> > Regarding the in-person fee for the week though (seems to be 1-
> > 1.5k?), I think 
> > it's worth thinking in terms of what else that kind of money can
> > do. It could 
> > buy a really nice smartphone, or a laptop or such. Some people
> > might prefer 
> > this over that. But I think in this case, what I'm really after is
> > the 
> > experience. Is the idea of pursuing a waiver or going out of pocket
> > going to 
> > improve or diminish that experience? Lots to think about...
> > 
> > This is a bit embarrassing to admit, but several of the people on
> > the IETF 
> > lists, are people I have idolized before. No, I won't name them!
> > But to be 
> > able to talk to those people, even just on the lists, it never
> > fails to be 
> > quite surreal. To be able to have access to those people for an
> > entire week, 
> > in person, to be able to shake hands with them... That is the kind
> > of 
> > "backstage" that I would consider the money worth paying for.
> > 
> > I think the most important thing I want to take away from it, is
> > the life 
> > lessons that each of us cares about technology, how we best build
> > it, and how 
> > we can grow within it. How even Steve Jobs (whose biography I
> > consider 
> > somewhat sacred, and got me on this path), initially had to
> > struggle to secure 
> > his first order of the Apple I computer. It humanizes what
> > eventually became a 
> > 3 trillion dollar company. Building social connections, attending
> > conferences 
> > and meetings, mutual refinement, ... I want to learn how all of
> > this actually 
> > works. How do we build "an Internet" anyway?
> > 

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