Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative Procedures

Ray Pelletier <> Fri, 11 April 2008 01:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative Procedures
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The Trustees have considered the comments from the list and propose the 
following amended revisions to the Trust Administrative Procedures.  The 
Trustees propose to take action at its April 17th meeting and will 
consider all comments received by that date.

2. The Trustees shall select one Trustee to serve as the Chair of the 

a. The following Trustees are not eligible to serve as IETF Chair:
    1. ISOC President
    2. IAB Chair
    3. IETF Chair
    4. ISOC IAOC Appointee
    5. IAD

b. The term of the Trust Chair shall be one year from the time of 
selection or the remaining time of his or her tenure as a Trustee, 
whichever is less.  An individual may serve any number of terms as 
Chair, if selected by the Trustees.

c. The Chair serves at the pleasure of the Trustees and may be removed 
from that position at any time by a vote of 2/3 of the voting Trustees, 
not counting the Trust Chair.

d. The Chair shall convene and preside over meetings of the Trustees but 
shall have no other powers or authority beyond his or her powers as a 
Trustee.  If the Trust Chair is not available, then any other Trustee 
may convene or preside over meetings of the Trustees in the  absence of 
the Trust Chair.

4. The Trust Agreement defines the quorum and voting rules for a 
meeting. Motions passed by electronic means between meetings shall be 
confirmed by a vote at the next possible meeting.

12. The Trustees are the current members of the IAOC. When a member 
leaves the IAOC for whatever reason, he or she ceases to be a Trustee. 
When a new member joins the IAOC, he or she becomes a Trustee upon his 
or her agreement in writing to fulfill the duties of a Trustee, as 
specified in the Trust Agreement.

a. If at any time the IAOC ceases to exist, or there are fewer than 
three Trustees, then the IESG, or its successor, shall appoint Trustees 
in accordance with Article VI of the Trust Agreement.


Brian E Carpenter wrote:

>On 2008-04-10 07:04, John C Klensin wrote:
>>--On Wednesday, 09 April, 2008 13:50 -0400 Ed Juskevicius
>><> wrote:
>>>John, you wrote:
>>>>Then recommend to the community that the Trust Agreement be
>>>The Trustees are not talking about changing the terms of the
>>>Trust Agreement, so this should not be necessary.
>>Good.  But I was just trying to suggest, following what I
>>thought I saw in Marshall's note, that, if the Trust Agreement
>>is defective, one could try to change it.  The other option is
>>to conform to it.  Ignoring it and adopting procedures or
>>polices inconsistent with it --even if one believes those
>>policies will never be triggered-- is a non-starter.
>>>>I am worried about the IAOC and/or Trustees adopting
>>>>procedures that are inconsistent with the Trust Agreement.
>>>Me too! It is not the intention of the Trustees to adopt
>>>procedures that are inconsistent with the Trust Agreement.  
>>>>if anything is going to be said, it needs to be consistent
>>>>with the Trust Agreement _and_ reflect the desires and intent
>>>>of the community.
>>>I agree.
>>I think we are in synch.
>I agree with the above, and I assure everybody that the intent
>was always exactly that. There's definitely an error in the way
>the current procedures were drafted; it was my error, and I have
>evry confidence that the current Trustees will fix it.
>    Brian
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