Re: Proposed New Note Well

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Mon, 04 January 2016 16:05 UTC

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From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: Proposed New Note Well
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A few quick observations:

The IETF is really only one body (or pretends to be).  If we are
going to revise the Note Well, let's make it cover the whole
system of things we expect people to know about and conform
with, not just IPR policy (with, in this version, a nod to
privacy).  In particular, don't say "By participating with the
IETF, you agree to follow IETF processes and policies" and then
identify only a few of them as if they were the complete list.

The absence of any reference to social behavior norms (e.g.,
anti-harassment policies) is particularly notable by its absence.

Also, I assume the IESG does not intend to publish this document
with a "TBD" in it.   Is there a rush such that the community
should be asked to comment on an incomplete document?  I suggest
that the IESG would not tolerate a request for IETF Last Call on
a WG document that contained such a loose end.

best,
    john



--On Monday, January 04, 2016 07:41 -0800 IESG Secretary
<iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote:

> The IESG and the IAOC legal team have worked together to
> propose a new version for the note well that is used in
> various IETF activities. The intent is to make the note well
> shorter and more readable, and point more clearly to the full
> documentation of the various rules.
> 
> The current note well is available at
> https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html and the proposed new
> one is below.
> 
> The IESG will make a decision about this matter shortly.
> Please provide comments, if any, to ietf@ietf.org or to the
> IESG at iesg@ietf.org before January 30, 2016.
> 
> ———
> 
> Note Well
> 
> This summary does not contain all the details and is only
> meant to point you in the right direction. Exceptions may
> apply. The IETF's patent policy and the definition of an IETF
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> 
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