Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05.txt> (Internationalized Email Addresses in X.509 certificates) to Proposed Standard
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Subject: Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05.txt> (Internationalized Email Addresses in X.509 certificates) to Proposed Standard
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Viktor Dukhovni" <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org> To: <spasm@ietf.org>; "IETF general list" <ietf@ietf.org> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 3:19 AM > On Mar 8, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Wei Chuang <weihaw@google.com> wrote: > > Okay. I think the direction then is to have SmtpUTF8Name respect rfc822Name name constraints and vice versa. Well, no, the simplest proposal on the table is for SmtpUTF8Name to be *prohibited* when rfc822Name constraints are present and SmtpUTF8Name constraints are not. When both present, they can operate independently. <tp> Getting security right can be tricky as the legion of failed attempts that make it to RFC testify but what you are proposing here seems so simple, so obviously the right thing to do that I am puzzled, bewildered even, that anyone can disagree with you. Tom Petch The verifier logic is then: 1. If neither rfc822Name constraints nor SmtpUTF8Name constraints are present in any CA certificate in the chain, any mixture of rfc822Name and SmtpUTF8Name SAN elements is valid. 2. If some certificate in the chain contains *only* rfc822Name constraints, then these apply to rfc822Name SAN elements, but all SmtpUTF8Names are prohibited. 3. When both types of constraints are present in all CA certificates that have either type, then constraints for each SAN type are exclusively based on just the corresponding constraint type. 4. If some certificate in the chain contains only SmtpUTF8Name constraints then those are unavoidably at risk of bypass via rfc822Name SAN elements when processed by legacy verifiers. Therefore, this should be avoided, and the CA needs to publish rfc822Name constraints that prevent bypass. Such constraints *need not* be equivalent (not always possible) to the desired SmtpUTF8Name constraints. Rather, it suffices to not permit rfc822Name elements that would be prohibited if they were simply cut/pasted (with no A-label to U-label conversions) as SmtpUTF8Name elements. It is not necessary for these to permit everything that SmtpUTF8Name permits. Thus for example, if SmtpUtf8Name only permits addresses in the non NR-LDH domain "духовный.org" (or a specific set of addresses in such a domain), then the corresponding rfc822Name constraint could just permit "." (or the reserved "invalid" TLD if that's preferable) which is not a usable email domain. This ensures that only the permitted SmtpUTF8Name SANs are used and no rfc822Name SANs are used. If, instead the Smtp8Name constraints are excluded non-ASCII address forms, then since these have no literal rfc822Name equivalents, the rfc822Name constraints can be omitted with the same effect. Only when the intention is to permit NR-LDH domains with either ASCII or UTF-8 localparts (or an all-ASCII full address) do the rfc822Name and SmtpUTF8Name constraints need to be fully equivalent. This is of course trivial to do. Just cut/paste the same string into both types of constraint. -- Viktor.
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- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
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- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Wei Chuang
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- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Wei Chuang
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… tom p.
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Wei Chuang
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Wei Chuang