Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100

Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Thu, 02 February 2017 23:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100
From: Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
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John,

> On 2 Feb 2017, at 17:18, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>; wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> 
> Apologies for singling out your note as an example.  It isn't
> the only one.
> 
> --On Thursday, February 2, 2017 15:58 +0000 Tim Chown
> <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>; wrote:
> 
>>> On 2 Feb 2017, at 15:39, Randal Atkinson
> <rja.lists@gmail.com>; wrote:
> 
>>> Most airlines, including all or nearly all major full-service
>>> international airlines, start selling tickets  at least 12
>>> months before the departure date for the 1st flight on an
>>> itinerary.  
>> ...
> 
>> I just tried availability for flights from London to San
>> Francisco for July 2018 IETF.   None of BA, Virgin or United
>> would offer tickets beyond January 2018.  Perhaps it's
>> different for internal flights within the US?
> 
> I may be suffering from an arithmetic failure, but according to
> my calendar, January 2018 is 12 months out and anything past the
> first week of February 2018, such as July 2018, is significantly
> more than 12 months out.

You’ve selectively quoted Ran above. If you re-read his original
email, you’ll see that he said was that people *are* able to buy 
flights to San Francisco now, indeed that he knows people who have.
The bit you have included above claims most airlines sell tickets *at
least* 12 months in advance.

I was simply providing a data point contrary to that, i.e. I’m not able 
to source a ticket to SanFrancisco for July 2018 now, because the
airlines I’d likely look to first don’t see more than 11-12 months in
advance.

> I know that passions run high on this set of issues, but can we
> all please try to read each other's comments carefully enough to
> avoid confusing the discussions by (I presume accidentally)
> creating straw men and then attacking them?

I’m confused by your email John; all I was doing is giving a counter
point to Ran’s observation that people already have tickets to fly
in July 2018, but also that I agree that extending the IETF’s ability 
to better support remote participation is now even more important.  
Ran has since responded to both points politely and constructively.

Somewhat puzzled,
Tim

> 
> best,
>     john
> 
>