Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative Procedures
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 09 April 2008 02:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative Procedures
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John, On 2008-04-09 12:55, John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Tuesday, 08 April, 2008 16:30 -0400 Ed Juskevicius > <edj@nortel.com> wrote: > >> ... >> The above being said, it is quite clear from the excellent >> comments posted by several people on this topic that the >> Trustees have more work to do before the job of revising the >> text on the Administrative Procedures document is done. For >> example, John Klensin commented on some of the text in >> paragraph 12 that says "If at any time the IAOC ceases to >> exist, the Trustees then in office shall remain in office >> ...". That text is not new nor a proposed change to any >> existing Trust procedure. Those words are original text from >> December 2005. I am happy John took note of them in this >> round of discussions, as I don't think they exactly express >> what the Trustees intended for this clause to say. >> ... > > Ed, > > Both the IAOC and then the Trust were conceived and defined on > the assumption that they were to isolate administrative > functions and thereby relieve not only the IESG and IAB but the > community from having to monitor them in detail. Speaking only > for myself, I've been following that assumption, trusting you > folks to do what needs to be done and to do so within the > parameters and procedures laid out in the defining documents. > While I'm certain there was no malice involved, I find it deeply > troubling that a note that was supposed to be about something > else turned up "original text" in a procedures document that is > inconsistent with one of those defining documents, the Trust > Agreement. Let's expand the quotation from the current, unamended Trust procedures slightly: "If at any time the IAOC ceases to exist, the Trustees then in office shall remain in office and determine the future of the Trust in accordance with the Trust Agreement." I agree there's a drafting error - it should say ""If at any time the IAOC ceases to exist, the Trustees then in office shall remain in office SOLELY IN ORDER TO determine the future of the Trust in accordance with the Trust Agreement."" That was certainly the intent. Brian I hope it doesn't add significantly to the workload, > but I hope the IAOC will its practices for verifying consistency > between its procedures and actions (and those of the Trust) and > those defining documents. > > john > > _______________________________________________ > IETF mailing list > IETF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative P… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Leslie Daigle
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Leslie Daigle
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ed Juskevicius
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Fred Baker
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ed Juskevicius
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ted Hardie
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Stephan Wenger
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… TS Glassey