Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the home.
Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Thu, 12 September 2013 20:56 UTC
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Ted Lemon wrote: > This isn't _quite_ true. DNSSEC supports trust anchors at > any point in the hierarchy, and indeed I think the right > model for DNSSEC is that you would install trust anchors > for things you really care about, and manage them in the > same way that you manage your root trust anchor. E.g., > you'd install a trust anchor for your employer, and your > bank, and maybe your local town government. This is > all future UI work, of course. Operationally, that's not practical. Users can't manage their trust anchors securely. > Furthermore, if the root key is compromised and that is then > used to substitute a bogus key, it isn't that hard to notice > that this has happened, and indeed we ought to be > systematically noticing these things. So hacking the root > key is certainly a valid threat, but there is a great deal > more transparency in the DNSSEC system than in the TLS PKI, > and that should mean that the system is more robust in the > face of this kind of attack. According to your theory, we don't need DNSSEC, because cache poisoning attacks on plain DNS is easily detectable. Masataka Ohta
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Russ Housley
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Joe Abley
- Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the home. Jim Gettys
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Paul Wouters
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Joe Abley
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Ted Lemon
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… SM
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Michael Richardson
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Tony Finch
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Joe Abley
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… David Morris
- Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the ho… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Dickson, Brian
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Arturo Servin
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… David Morris
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Eliot Lear
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Dickson, Brian
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… robert bownes
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Glen Wiley
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Martin Rex
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Masataka Ohta
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Jim Gettys
- Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC int… Masataka Ohta