Re: Change in IPR policies
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From: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
To: Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>
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> On Jun 9, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote: > > Second, the consequence of getting it wrong could have been a large number of people abusing that and those who didn’t abuse it feeling very aggrieved at us for allowing that. > > I welcome any further feedback. Thanks. I’m not sure “avoidance of hurt feelings” is a great foundation to rest a policy change on, especially one that makes our organization less inclusive. It’s also a two-edged sword: you’re going to end up with people feeling aggrieved no matter what. Better hanged for a sheep than for a goat, sez I. For my part, I would feel aggrieved if the change in policy stood, and resulted in our organization’s reach and effectiveness being diminished. I wouldn’t feel aggrieved if it were rescinded and then there were a lot of free riders. (I might think less well of the free riders, but by the nature of things it would be possible to know the names of participants who didn’t pay, and as for lurkers who didn’t pay, t’were ever thus.) $0.02. Regards, —John
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- Re: Change in IPR policies Russ Housley
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- RE: Change in IPR policies Adrian Farrel
- Re: Change in IPR policies John C Klensin
- Re: Change in IPR policies Jay Daley
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- Re: Change in IPR policies John C Klensin
- RE: Change in IPR policies Adrian Farrel
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- Re: Change in IPR policies Jay Daley
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- Re: [Trustees] Change in IPR policies Brad Biddle
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- Re: Change in IPR policies Stephen Farrell
- Re: Change in IPR policies John Scudder
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- Re: [Trustees] Change in IPR policies John C Klensin
- Re: [Trustees] Change in IPR policies Jay Daley
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