Re: [OAUTH-WG] We appear to still be litigating OAuth, oops

Warren Parad <wparad@rhosys.ch> Wed, 24 February 2021 10:22 UTC

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From: Warren Parad <wparad@rhosys.ch>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:22:31 +0100
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] We appear to still be litigating OAuth, oops
To: Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>
Cc: Jim Manico <jim@manicode.com>, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>, ietf@ietf.org, "oauth@ietf.org" <oauth@ietf.org>
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Should we solve the NxM problem, and if so, how do you propose we do that?

Warren Parad

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On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 8:08 AM Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, at 17:26, Jim Manico wrote:
>
> I think it’s important to point out that OAuth is not an authentication
> protocol. It’s for delegation. OAuth is one of the most mis-used protocols
> on the modern web. If you really want to support end users, a good place to
> start is to make it clear to developers what OAuth is really for so secure
> solutions are built as opposed to the dumpster fire that OAuth solutions
> have become today.
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does
>
> Which suggests that if the OAuth solutions deployed today are dumpster
> fires, then ... well, that's what OAuth 2 does.
>
> My biggest problem with OAuth as an outsider is that it doesn't solve the
> NxM problem.  You can't build a client which can OAuth against any
> arbitrary OAuth service that provides a standard protocol, because you need
> to get an API key for your particular application from each service
> provider.  This just doesn't scale, which is a large part of Phillip's
> complaint as well.
>
> Of course, I came into the IETF having already read
> https://web.archive.org/web/20120731155632/http://hueniverse.com/2012/07/oauth-2-0-and-the-road-to-hell/
> - which was one of the things which made me wary of the IETF in the first
> place, and keen to not let everything I touched get over-complicated.
>
> Bron.
>
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>   brong@fastmailteam.com
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