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Re: Enough DMARC whinging

Christian de Larrinaga <cdel@firsthand.net> Wed, 30 April 2014 06:20 UTC

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IETF could recommend people using Yahoo or AOL wanting to be read should
resubscribe to IETF lists from another domain?

Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> Philip,
>
> Here are the effects that I see. I use this gmail account for my IETF
> mailing lists. I am now consistently seeing email sent from Yahoo
> users end up in my spam folder with the following embedded warning
> message:
>
> *Be careful with this message.* Our systems couldn't verify that this
> message was really sent by yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com>. You might
> want to avoid clicking links or replying with personal
> information.  Learn more
> <http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1366858&ctx=mail&authuser=1&expand=2>
>
> The sender, of course, is completely unaware of what is happening on
> the receiver's end, so they have no reason to want to change from
> Yahoo to another domain for posting.
>
> So this is imposing pain on the receiver, since I now have to
> consistently check my spam folder for valid IETF email.
>
> I see that you also use gmail, so you should start checking your spam
> folder as well.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker
> <hallam@gmail.com <mailto:hallam@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I am finding it rather hard to follow the DMARC discussion. Some folk
>     have managed to convince me that they are upset but working out why
>     would require rather a lot of spec crunching.
>
>     My best theory so far is that DMARC is some sort of email policy
>     statement and that either (1) some companies are now publishing a
>     policy that states 'reject all mail that purports to come from this
>     address that does not have authentication Y' or (2) some companies are
>     now rejecting mail not in compliance with said policy or (3) both.
>
>     There is a simple truth about DNS names: Whoever owns them makes the
>     rules for their use [1]. If you don't like the rules for
>     google.com <http://google.com>
>     then choose another domain to post from.
>
>
>     If people want email to work with mailing lists, then don't complain
>     about reasonable choices people want to make. Work out a way to fix
>     mailing lists so that they work properly.
>
>     There is no reason we can't change the way From works. Or add new
>     from headers.
>
>     Are we engineers or curators of the past?
>
>
>     [1] Thus be rather suspicious of folk who claim that we merely rent
>     the use on terms of their choosing.
>
>     --
>     Website: http://hallambaker.com/
>
>

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Christian de Larrinaga
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