RE: Describing which behavior is appropriate or not (was: Last Call: <draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06.txt> (IETF Discussion List Charter) to Best Current Practice)

Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com> Mon, 01 November 2021 09:52 UTC

Return-Path: <vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190263A11F5 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 02:52:31 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.919
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9LjKGLJjExAH for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 02:52:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BA2C3A08CC for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 02:52:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from fraeml713-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.226]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4HjSr43Nptz67gBT; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 17:47:32 +0800 (CST)
Received: from mscpeml500002.china.huawei.com (7.188.26.138) by fraeml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2308.15; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 10:52:22 +0100
Received: from mscpeml500001.china.huawei.com (7.188.26.142) by mscpeml500002.china.huawei.com (7.188.26.138) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2308.15; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:52:22 +0300
Received: from mscpeml500001.china.huawei.com ([7.188.26.142]) by mscpeml500001.china.huawei.com ([7.188.26.142]) with mapi id 15.01.2308.015; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:52:22 +0300
From: Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com>
To: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
CC: "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Describing which behavior is appropriate or not (was: Last Call: <draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06.txt> (IETF Discussion List Charter) to Best Current Practice)
Thread-Topic: Describing which behavior is appropriate or not (was: Last Call: <draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06.txt> (IETF Discussion List Charter) to Best Current Practice)
Thread-Index: AQHXzYM0ia4TVFO3tkqx/CQMbXF0OKvr7liAgAAfTYCAAAMQgIAABPgAgAJbpFA=
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 09:52:22 +0000
Message-ID: <7702b6581026475ea43bbf7ca014e6df@huawei.com>
References: <47db1859-8201-9f37-0efd-aa09f4b1379b@network-heretics.com> <98F25285-BD71-49BB-9B7E-CEFF217183F7@yahoo.co.uk> <faa808cd-ad75-f643-7f44-62af5f0dbab3@network-heretics.com> <47E5B329-0002-45C6-905F-B91E1B6B86EF@steffann.nl>
In-Reply-To: <47E5B329-0002-45C6-905F-B91E1B6B86EF@steffann.nl>
Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [10.47.194.138]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/6XWAteGoaxYmUeVcqkplaLUoEd8>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 09:52:31 -0000

+1

-----Original Message-----
From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sander Steffann
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 3:52 AM
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Describing which behavior is appropriate or not (was: Last Call: <draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06.txt> (IETF Discussion List Charter) to Best Current Practice)

Hi,

> And that's why it's important to reinforce the idea that IETF participants are NOT representatives of their employers, but at most "sponsored" by them (or in many cases they pay their own way), and IETF participants are expected to use their own best technical judgment about what's good for the Internet as a whole.

If we can get back to this, I'm in!

Unfortunately the IETF has indeed become the IVTF (https://archive.psg.com/051000.sigcomm-ivtf.pdf)

Cheers,
Sander