Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward running code...
Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Mon, 03 December 2012 14:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward running code...
From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
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> But this doesn't do that for IETF LC at all! Everyone > not involved in the WG gets just the same notice as now. This is true. > What I hope is different is that drafts taking this optional > approach are higher quality, being based on running code. This is a stretch, and that *unprovable* assumption also bothers me. We have lots of running code that implements specs badly. We have lots of running code that implements exactly what's in the spec and misses everything that's missing (consider Martin's comment about security and i18n). We have lots of running code that doesn't interoperate with other running code. Your proposal specifically does NOT require any testing of the running code, nor any interoperability demonstrations (nor would I want it to). Running code, when it's an organic part of the document development, is undoubtedly a good thing -- it doesn't make everything right, but, yes, it does do *some* spec validation and probably does help spec quality. But code that's written as part of a rote process, just to achieve another check-box on the shepherd writeup and justify special handling is not likely to provide any of those benefits. Barry
- Idea for a process experiment to reward running c… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Dave Crocker
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Melinda Shore
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… SM
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Yoav Nir
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Dave Crocker
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Dave Crocker
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Melinda Shore
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Hector Santos
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Hector Santos
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… John C Klensin
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Elwyn Davies
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Elwyn Davies
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Dave Crocker
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Elwyn Davies
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Sam Hartman
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Jari Arkko
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Jari Arkko
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Jari Arkko
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… David Morris
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Randy Bush
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Danny McPherson
- RE: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell