Re: NomCom 2019 Call for Community Feedback

Kyle Rose <> Mon, 04 November 2019 22:56 UTC

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On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 4:29 PM Brian E Carpenter <> wrote:

> If we want the IESG job to be more reasonably sized, we have to take work
> away from the ADs. As far as I can see, that means taking away their duty
> of acting as final reviewers. I don't want to name names because I don't
> think the ADs are to be blamed individually, but some of them spend
> *enormous* effort on detailed reviews. Either we have to trust the WGs
> more, or we have to trust the various review teams more, and allow the IESG
> to steer, which its name implies is its main job. And sign off on drafts
> that are good enough, rather than seeking perfection.

Agreed, and with Stephen's advocacy of delegation as a path forward. But to
get there, the IETF (and the folks with dots, in particular) need to become
more comfortable with the idea of decentralizing authority to a greater
degree than they have been used to: that means empowering---and trusting,
and training, and reviewing the output of---the directorates to a greater
extent than happens today. The buck may still stop with the ADs, but they
should be willing and able to choose to delegate to a greater degree,
preserving their time and brain cycles for the truly critical stuff that
they either seek out or that is escalated to them.

We may also want to take a serious look at re-empowering the IAB's
historical role in architectural oversight, with an appropriate set of
checks and balances to prevent a recurrence of the kerfuffle that resulted
in the current structure.