Re: Proposed New Note Well
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Thu, 07 April 2016 12:50 UTC
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From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: Proposed New Note Well
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Pete, I think that would be an improvement, but I see a slightly different tension that we probably need to deal with explicitly. If we really want "short", e.g., fitting on one slide in big letters, then the Note Well can be reduced to something like... "The IETF has a collection of policies. As with a shrink-wrap license, you are responsible for all of them the moment you start participating or contributing, or interacting with other participants, in any way and can get yourself and your organization into big trouble for violating them. An introduction to those policies and links to the details can be found at <link>." If it seems to be useful, one more sentence to the effect that, if one has questions after reading through the policies, contact... could be added, but that might (should) be in whatever is at the end of the link anyway. IIR, a very brief statement of that sort is where this "Note Well" stuff started. It has gotten bloated as its mission has crept toward explaining or enumerating the policies and the IETF has become more policy-laden. If we actually care about an on-screen version, a list of a half-dozen or more links just isn't going to do it anyway. It won't be displayed long enough to copy it down. That is actually a reasonable guideline -- anything that requires someone to look at material later, rather than being read/listened to and absorbed, needs to be reduced to NTE one link or reference or it won't be written down/ remembered. In a way, we are going to end up with two Note Wells, one for slide display and quick reminders (like registration forms) and something else for posting, circulation in writing, and the target of the reference/link in the first. I fear that is inevitable and that we should be adapting to it rather than pretending we can create a one-screen document that covers everything. john --On Thursday, April 07, 2016 00:27 -0300 Pete Resnick <presnick@qti.qualcomm.com> wrote: > How about if we changed the description of BCP 79: > > BCP 79 (Patent Policy, definitions of "Participation" and > "Contribution") >... > On 6 Apr 2016, at 19:37, Scott Bradner wrote: > >> imo - the 2nd pp is not duplicative - consider that the whole >> current note we'll is just covering "what is a >> contribution" and the question of what >> "participating"" is has been a contentious issue for a >> long time
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- RE: Proposed New Note Well Adrian Farrel
- Re: Proposed New Note Well John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Doug Ewell
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Proposed New Note Well John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Mark Nottingham
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Dave Cridland
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Stephan Wenger
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Jorge Contreras
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Jorge Contreras
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Stephan Wenger
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Harald Alvestrand
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- Re: Proposed New Note Well John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Stephan Wenger
- Re: Proposed New Note Well lloyd.wood
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Stephan Wenger
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Pete Resnick
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Scott Bradner
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Tim Chown
- Re: Proposed New Note Well Pete Resnick
- Re: Proposed New Note Well John C Klensin