Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 14 June 2021 12:46 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 07:46:07 -0500
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Subject: Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy
To: Scott Bradner <sob@sobco.com>
Cc: "John C. Klensin" <john-ietf@jck.com>, IETF list <ietf@ietf.org>
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Normally I don't +1 to email threads, but +1 here, because I think
Scott's +1 on John's observation is overwhelmingly correct.

Spencer

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 5:41 AM Scott Bradner <sob@sobco.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> > On Jun 13, 2021, at 7:37 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --On Sunday, 13 June, 2021 13:10 -0700 Aqua Q Glass
> > <aquaqglass@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> a metadata ammendment towards the [RFC,documents] which
> >> supersede prior art, as denoted and approved with new
> >> documents, will provide hypertext and dedupe questions.. and
> >> additionally a place for IETF to maintain FAQs around
> >> relatable RFCs, online vs. adhoc email, and with authenticity.
> >
> > It turns out to be not quite that easy, especially if one tries
> > to avoid making other significant changes.  This is, however,
> > exactly the territory that NEWTRK [1] starting about 2004 and
> > running through 2006 or so, with periodic attempts to restart or
> > build on that work.
> >
> > While I believe that, after nearly 15 years, it is time to look
> > at these questions again, I don't believe anyone who was heavily
> > involved in that original effort would recommend initiating a
> > follow-up effort (or a completely new one with similar goals)
> > unless it was clear that the IESG was prepared to accept and
> > process whatever conclusions and consensus that WG managed to
> > reach.
> >
> > Happy reading.
> >   john
> >
> >
> > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/newtrk/about/
> >
> >
> >
>
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