Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Tue, 24 May 2016 16:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
To: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>
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From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
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Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:37:37 +0200
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On 5/24/16 6:18 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
> This shouldn't be that hard to think about. Would you have a greater
> objection to the IETF selecting (1) a locale that allows private
> citizen ownership of guns or (2) a country that refuses to recognize
> Israeli passports?

False choice.