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Re: Consultation on *revised* IETF LLC Draft Strategic Plan 2020

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 04 June 2020 22:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: Consultation on *revised* IETF LLC Draft Strategic Plan 2020
To: Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 10:14:28 +1200
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On 05-Jun-20 09:51, Jay Daley wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 4/06/2020, at 10:13 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
>>
>> If you read my mail, the comment was that all this
>> "journey" stuff was either waffly or over-reach and
>> that ditching the fashionista term and using clear
>> English would be needed to determine which. I think
>> that's a clear comment.
> 
> Your responses so far suggest that you have no regard for the field of UX for which user journey mapping is a foundational technique, and as I’m not willing to abandon the use of those techniques to help us in our work I’m not sure how far we can go with this.  However I’ve had one last attempt by creating a new issue 
> 
> 	https://github.com/ietf-llc/strategy-2020-consultation/issues/43 "More clarity around participant journey" 
> 
> and addressing that with this change
> 
> 	https://github.com/ietf-llc/strategy-2020-consultation/commit/ddc0af3e2d5628a71ca6eaca8359c6187ac40b01#diff-ace2c9f1dd155e5220c2a50de0c79018

Better, but I still think that the phrase "the participant journey" suggests that there is only one typical path through the IETF labyrinth, and that isn't so. There are many alternative paths and destinations, not to mention many different motivations for participating. I'm not sure the "journey" concept captures that.

     Brian

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