Re: [IAOC] IETF 92 in Dallas!

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Fri, 17 August 2012 22:40 UTC

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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:40:28 -0400
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
To: Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [IAOC] IETF 92 in Dallas!
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--On Friday, August 17, 2012 16:44 -0400 Dave Crocker
<dcrocker@gmail.com> wrote:

>> --On Friday, August 17, 2012 21:20 +0200 Robert Raszuk
>> <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Besides hotel is least worry as we do know the IETF rates for
>>> the last few years and it is quite easy to check with any
>>> hotel if they are willing to meet those targets or not.
>> 
>> Actually, we don't 
> 
> 
> except for:
> 
>    http://iaoc.ietf.org/mfstatement_detail.html
> 
> might be enough detail for the concern being raised here.

I would hope so (and thanks for the link).  My more general
concern is/was associated with the comment about "targets" and
getting into a situation in which some members of the community
start doing their own negotiating and site visits and then get
upset if the IAOC says "no" to whatever they propose.  Certainly
there is not enough information in those reports to turn this
into a process in which the IAOC decisions become mechanical.

best,
   john