Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities

Dave Crocker <> Mon, 10 April 2017 22:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 15:01:42 -0700
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On 4/10/2017 11:54 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> “In the short to medium term, I think the answer is going to be avoiding all but absolutely essential travel to the United States,” Hall [a UK lawyer] added. “I’m aware of at least one conference on cyber security and ethical hacking which switched to Toronto at short notice because of these concerns.”

That is, arguably looking like the safest, reasonable line of advice.

However for an organization like the IETF that seeks to meet in a 
variety of places around the globe, things could get even more 
challenging if there is a pattern of retaliatory actions by other 
countries, against visitors from the US.

(This is separate from the existing concern for long-term visitors to 
the US' question of leaving for a meeting and having problems returning 
to the US.)

It is fast looking as if the ability to sustain a large and very 
well-attended network of interconnected remote hubs might become a 
necessity rather than merely an appealing alternative...

Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking