Re: [rtcweb] Uppercase question for RFC2119 words

"Ben Campbell" <ben@nostrum.com> Wed, 30 March 2016 14:55 UTC

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To: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Uppercase question for RFC2119 words
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 09:55:50 -0500
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On 30 Mar 2016, at 9:46, Adam Roach wrote:

> On 3/30/16 09:34, Dave Crocker wrote:
>> It's worth distinguishing between rules that make the writers more 
>> comfortable, from rules that aid the reading efficacy in practical 
>> terms.
>
> Forcing implementors to read through the linguistic contortions 
> authors make to avoid using perfectly good English words doesn't do 
> them any favors. This odd game of charades -- "one syllable... sounds 
> like... desk? wood?" -- does not aid clarity. Much the opposite.
>

+1. Especially having grown up in the border between the US south and 
southwest, where "ought" was a considerably more loaded term than 
"should" (and  was primarily used by grandparents to lecture children).