Re: Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ?

Matthew Kerwin <phluid_61@hotmail.com> Tue, 27 October 2020 23:21 UTC

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From: Matthew Kerwin <phluid_61@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:20:52 +1000
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Subject: Re: Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ?
To: Andrew Campling <Andrew.Campling@419.consulting>
Cc: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, "wgchairs@ietf.org" <wgchairs@ietf.org>, "ietf@johnlevine.com" <ietf@johnlevine.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org" <rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>, "rsoc@iab.org" <rsoc@iab.org>
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On Wed., 28 Oct. 2020, 08:10 Andrew Campling,
<andrew.campling@419.consulting> wrote:

>
> For those of us that might prefer to read printed documents, especially
> documents of more than a few pages in length, page numbers are particularly
> help to ensure that the order of the documents does not become jumbled.
> Those that appear to be taking a position that pagination is obsolete might
> want to reflect on the importance of making IETF materials readily
> accessible to a wider audience, many of whom may be accustomed to printable
> documents with tables of contents inclusive of page numbers, pages with
> footers incorporating page numbers etc.
>
>
When I print a text document from Notepad I have to jump through hoops to
get it to _not_ include magic page headers and footers (incl. page
numbers). It does this consistently whether I set my font to 8pt courier or
18pt open-sans. It would probably work for other fonts too. Trying to
include that kind of layout information in the document itself is only ever
a cause for conflict.

For a tool-generated format that includes layout metadata in a portable and
printable way (that, incidentally, also includes any pretty pictures in the
document) there is the PDF version, which seems like a much better fit for
the use case you're describing.

Aside: PDF can also be coerced to support the hot new "hyperlinking"
mechanism, if we ever decide to pursue that. (Probably not in printed
media, though.)

Page numbers are obsolete -- or were never relevant -- in HTML, and have
been questionable in plain text since we moved from fixed-grid console and
print machines.

Cheers
Matthew Kerwin