Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's
S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Sat, 17 May 2014 16:29 UTC
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Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 02:45:10 -0700
To: Eric Dynamic <ecsd@transbay.net>, ietf@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's
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Hi Eric, At 14:12 15-05-2014, Eric Dynamic wrote: >Solving the SPAM problem once and "for all time", the right way > >The genuine solution to the problem of worldwide spam and 98% of all >email flows being "buy this garbage" solicitations and "please >infect yourself" virus-carrying messages is I rearranged the text in your message. The "please infect yourself" approach is applicable to any system, e.g. http://www.ask.com/answers/494945261/is-this-real-i-m-freaking-out-please-help >I run mailing lists for the Berkeley (California) Parent-Teacher's >Association (PTA.) So Yahoo is Is that www.berkeleypta.org >essentially saying that no Yahoo users can get email sent to such >lists BY Yahoo users. This of course makes no sense. Moreover, the >issue has been outstanding for long enough that Yahoo should by now >have REMEDIED the situation. But this seems to much to expect: >Corporate Accountability, in an age where these corporations think >they are "important" for having millions of subscribers. I'll rearrange some of the text here. >I would suggest people start complaining to the EFF (Electronic >Frontier Foundation.) This is something which is supposed to be >their "back yard", that they would address, but they ignored my >initial complaints to them. I think if they start hearing from the >public at large they will realize this is non-trivial and something >very worth their attention. After reading the above my conclusion is that yahoo.com and eff.org consider the problem as trivial and not worthy of their attention. >There were calls to complain to Yahoo (these are steadfastly >ignored) and to boycott Yahoo (these are also ignored by a public on >automatic pilot, bought out by the notion of "free" accounts of all >kinds.) We are entering a stage in the Corporatization of America >where it's time to pay attention and fight back, or these >Corporations will WIN and effectively replace the IETF with their >own "common" (malfeasant) practices. It has been suggested that >Yahoo, Google, et. al. are busy I don't have an opinion about the Corporatization of America. Please note that the usage of "America" as a geographical reference is ambiguous as it is not clear whether Canada or Chile are included. >I can play Google off against Yahoo, by telling the Yahoo users to >threaten to switch to Google if Yahoo won't behave; but it's no >great solution if they actually do so. Another recommendation to >people is to NOT HAVE Google host their email domains, but once >people hear "free" they ignore reason, logic and everything else. >How sad it is how cheaply people are bought out against their own >interests nowadays. I rearranged the above text. There is a significant number of IETF participants using gmail.com email addresses. It would be interesting to hear their opinion about the above. >I think the IETF needs to issue an emergency policy statement that >condemns the interference these corporations are causing with our >Free Speech. (to repeat:) It is almost certain that what Yahoo, >Google, AOL, et. al. are doing violates a number of "best practices" >RFCs that the IETF has published. It is multiplying Internet >traffic loads for no valid purpose. The IETF does not issue emergency policy statements. It is unlikely that there would be consensus to condemn any interference with free speech. >the polemic tone reflects my irritation, sorry. :) I might be mildly irritated if a mail provider used by people subscribed to the mailing list I run created a problem which affects me. I might give some thought to what to do about it. The rest is a matter of imagination and inclination. Regards, S. Moonesamy
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Sabahattin Gucukoglu
- Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world incl… John Levine
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … S Moonesamy
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Eric Dynamic
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … S Moonesamy
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … S Moonesamy
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Eric Dynamic
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Yoav Nir
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Avri Doria
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Dave Crocker
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Randy Bush
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Dave Crocker
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Douglas Otis
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Douglas Otis
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Doug Ewell
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Douglas Otis
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Ted Lemon
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Eric Dynamic
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Scott Kitterman
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Douglas Otis
- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … Hector Santos