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Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Wed, 24 February 2021 16:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
To: Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>
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On 2/24/2021 1:39 AM, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>
>> Il 24/02/2021 08:22 Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofenig@arm.com> ha 
>> scritto:
>>
>> The culture of hands-on work needs to be more than a responsibility 
>> of the document authors. It is a culture that has to cut across the 
>> organization, from working group chairs to the IESG. Currently, there 
>> are disincentives to work on code as a document author.
>>
>> I want people with hands-on experience in the leadership of an 
>> engineering organization. For me this is a form of diversity.
>>
> The question is whether you *only* (mostly) want coders in the 
> leadership, or whether you *also* want coders in the leadership. This 
> makes a lot of difference in evaluating your position.

Vittorio,

The word "coder" is a somewhat insulting way to refer to software 
developers. Please stop. This vocabulary implies a hierarchy in which 
the specifications are developed by superior specification writers, then 
handed down to subservient "coders" who merely translate it into 
computer code. This is a very reductive way of considering software 
development. For example, it completely discards the interaction between 
implementation, deployment, testing, and user feedback. In the IETF, the 
writing of good specifications has always benefited from such 
interactions, and we want that to continue.

-- Christian Huitema

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