Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)

john heasley <heas@shrubbery.net> Fri, 19 July 2019 19:57 UTC

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From: john heasley <heas@shrubbery.net>
To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)
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Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 03:50:14PM -0400, Christopher Morrow:
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 3:02 PM Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:
> > I used "publish", then, as short-hand for "more stable than an I-D, less
> > heavy-duty than an RFC" since we don't have a name for what that thing
> > would be.
> 
> This, 'publish between an rfc and ID' is, I think, what the
> living-documents/evolving-documents work was supposed to enable.
> I was going to dither with John's suggestion of 7525 as an example,
> mostly because TLS tends to get people's hackles up :) but.. actually,
> because of things like:
>   https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7525#page-11
> 
> this is a great example actually. The advice to set cipher suites and
> other options for TLS has been changing quite a bit of late, having a
> consistent location that's not 'rando website cipherl.st ?' seems like
> a great plan, to me. If that location is able to keep up in close to
> real time with all the various 'heartbleed' type problems so  much the
> better. We should be making this simpler and easier to locate and
> digest, right? and up-to-date to the best of our ability?

Please also see 7540 appendix A - 11 pages - that should not exist.  it
belongs in a LD.  the appendix is incomplete now, it is not specific to
7540, ....