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[24.4.157.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bn10sm664583pad.9.2013.07.03.16.27.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 16:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A43632BB-F825-4AD9-8F0D-4B2DA48D6A3C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: Doug Engelbart From: Douglas Otis In-Reply-To: <51D4773C.2030509@isi.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 16:27:46 -0700 Message-Id: <2C4A0645-AA36-4225-A2B7-74878218FFE7@gmail.com> References: <478D5E2C-B966-4DC3-9851-F2234169F76D@webhistory.org> <51D464A1.6050905@dcrocker.net> <51D4773C.2030509@isi.edu> To: Bob Braden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Cc: ietf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 23:27:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A43632BB-F825-4AD9-8F0D-4B2DA48D6A3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Jul 3, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Bob Braden wrote: >=20 > Wikipedia defines "genius" as "a person who displays exceptional = intellectual ability, creativity, or originality" > All three applied to Doug Engelbart. He belongs up there with other = creative geniuses I have had the privilege of meeting during 50 years = in computing -- Al Perlis, Dick Hamming, John McCarthy,and Don Knuth = come immediately to mind. Dear Bob, Here is a video of Doug Engelbar's 1968 demo of SRI's work. http://vimeo.com/32381658 In the early seventies, most work used mini computers where faults were = diagnosed using the front key panel and bit light displays. I even had = the misfortune of debugging early production of MITS Altar systems that = were flakey by connecting front panel LEDs directly to the data bus. As = a consultant in 1985, I worked at Xerox Parc on the Xerox Star 6085 = adding a cartridge tape drive. They relied on the tape drive to = distribute OS updates in a timely fashion because their 10 Mbit Ethernet = offered less than 3 Mbit throughput across dozens of test systems. By = then, they were using Bill English's mouse design. Being relatively = sheltered in the lab, this was my first encounter with a GUI interface. = I needed to access my test programs but was dumbfounded by a display = that did nothing when you typed on the keyboard. The secret was to drag = the arrow icon over the terminal icon and click. This finally provided = access to a terminal display that responded to the keyboard. Until then, my editing made use of multiple screens navigated with the = use of key combinations. To this day, I don't think GUI really offered = improved productivity. It was sexy and you did not need to remember all = those damn key sequences. The systems at Xerox Parc made use of the SRI = developments which then spawned Windows and Macs introducing personal = computers to the masses. Keeping the masses safe has been an ongoing = struggle requiring creative genius often evidenced in algorithms rather = than hardware. The evolution of computers has been awe inspiring, and = Steve Jobs proved genius makes a difference in hardware as well. As = Isaac Newton said "If I have seen further it is by standing on the = shoulders of giants." Regards, Douglas Otis --Apple-Mail=_A43632BB-F825-4AD9-8F0D-4B2DA48D6A3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 braden@isi.edu> wrote:

Wikipedia defines "genius" as "a person who displays = exceptional intellectual ability, creativity, or originality"
All = three applied to Doug Engelbart. He belongs up there with other creative =  geniuses I have had the privilege of meeting during 50 years in = computing -- Al Perlis,   Dick Hamming, John McCarthy,and Don = Knuth come immediately to = mind.

Dear = Bob,

Here is a video of Doug Engelbar's 1968 = demo of SRI's work.

In the early seventies, most work used mini computers = where faults were diagnosed using the front key panel and bit light = displays.  I even had the misfortune of debugging early production = of MITS Altar systems that were flakey by connecting front panel LEDs = directly to the data bus. As a consultant in 1985, I worked at Xerox = Parc on the Xerox Star 6085 adding a cartridge tape drive.   = They relied on the tape drive to distribute OS updates in a timely = fashion because their 10 Mbit Ethernet offered less than 3 Mbit = throughput across dozens of test systems.  By then, they were using = Bill English's mouse design.  Being relatively sheltered in the = lab, this was my first encounter with a GUI interface.  I needed to = access my test programs but was dumbfounded by a display that did = nothing when you typed on the keyboard.  The secret was to drag the = arrow icon over the terminal icon and click.  This finally provided = access to a terminal display that responded to the = keyboard.

Until then, my editing made use of = multiple screens navigated with the use of key combinations.  To = this day, I don't think GUI really offered improved productivity. =  It was sexy and you did not need to remember all those damn key = sequences.  The systems at Xerox Parc made use of the SRI = developments which then spawned Windows and Macs introducing personal = computers to the masses.  Keeping the masses safe has been an = ongoing struggle requiring creative genius often evidenced in algorithms = rather than hardware.  The evolution of computers has been awe = inspiring, and Steve Jobs proved genius makes a difference in hardware = as well.   As Isaac Newton said "If I have seen further it is by = standing on the shoulders of = giants."

Regards,
Douglas = Otis

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