Re: Simplifying our processes: Conference Calls

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Wed, 05 December 2012 16:24 UTC

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On 12/5/2012 1:25 AM, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote:
>> It's a question of costs and benefits. The cost of the IETF Announce
>> posting is small. There are not that many of them and I don't find
>> them to be a burden.
>
> How many conference calls as part of working group activities did you
> organize in the last two years?


Hannes, your question is in response to the assertion that the cost of 
adding the IETF Announce list is small.  Ignoring the apparent 
non-sequitor of your response, the nature of your question implies that 
you think it is not small.  Please explain.

At base, you want to treat conference calls according to different rules 
than f2f meetings.  What I haven't seen is a principled explanation from 
you that justifies this.  So:  what are the underlying principles that 
justify treating conference calls as different from other time-specific 
IETF interactions?

d/
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  Dave Crocker
  Brandenburg InternetWorking
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