Re: is last-call working the way the IESG intended?

Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> Mon, 29 March 2021 12:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: is last-call working the way the IESG intended?
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 15:10:45 +0300
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Hi Michael,

On 2021-3-16, at 22:20, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> There has been a very long thread on last-call about the crocker draft on
> email emojis.  I'm now seeing the secdir review of
> draft-ietf-ecrit-location-profile-registry-policy-01 and subsequent thread
> related to that.  (Not yet as long as emoji)
> 
> Now, I think that the crocker draft was AD sponsored so maybe it didn't have
> another place for the thread to go.  But, certain draft-ietf-ecrit should
> go back to ecrit list only?

both of these threads were on Last Call reviews, and so the last-call mailing list is an appropriate home for them.

I'll also note that he discussion on draft-ietf-ecrit-location-profile-registry-policy-01 was CC'ed to the ecrit WG, so you could set up your mail filter to move those into your ecrit mail folder instead of the last-call folder, should you prefer that.

> I'm just wondering if last-call is working the way it was imagined it would,
> or if there are some anomalies here.   Should some kind of Reply-To: be enforced?

We discussed this in the IESG, and we believe that the last-call mailing list is working as intended. I'll note that there was a lengthy discussion (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/1Jum0QW3b6AATJXF31P3g7IpUF4/) six months after the last-call experiment started that seemed to indicate that the community agrees with that assessment.

Looking back at the mail archives, I noticed that the email establishing the last-call experiment (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/LiB_dlvv3ZFlTF8hGp7GbGngqSg/) suggested two actions in the case that the experiment concluded successfully, which seem to have not been implemented yet:

1. update BCP 45 to formally move the location for last-call discussions (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3005/)

2. update the 2007 IESG Statement on Last Call Guidance (https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/last-call-guidance/)

I've started an individual draft on the fist item (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eggert-bcp45bis/), and we'll discuss the second item in the IESG.

Thanks,
Lars Eggert
IETF Chair