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Re: [Trustees] ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 10 January 2009 20:32 UTC

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:31:43 +1300
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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+1.

Which is why I suggest that we should support the Trustees' proposed
short term fix, to allow normal work to continue +/- cutting and pasting
some boilerplate. We do have a glitch in 5378 to mend, but let's get that
off the critical path.

   Brian

On 2009-01-11 09:12, John C Klensin wrote:
> +1
> 
> It seems to me that we are spending a great deal of energy on
> non-problems (including the one Ted discusses below) and too
> little time on real issues... like how to encourage people to do
> real work around here (where requiring authors try to figure out
> who might have contributed parts of a document that a
> predecessor to one they are working on and get them to sign off
> is not "encouragement").
> 
>     john
> 
> 
> --On Saturday, January 10, 2009 14:10 -0500 Theodore Tso
> <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> 
>> At least in the linux kernel, quoting a 2-3 sentences of an
>> RFC in comments is common practice, even before RFC 5378.  It
>> is also been done with great frequency in documentation,
>> magazine articles and journals, and so on.  Fair use takes
>> care of this problem, and there I don't think even the most
>> insanely paranoid and unreasonable corporate lawyer would
>> think that 2-3 sentences quoted in manuals, code, etc., would
>> be unreasonable.  
>>
>> Certainly this is something where we have over two decades
>> historical practice, and if anyone thinks an IETF contributor
>> or company would be suicidially idiotic enough from a Public
>> Relations point of view to try to sue someone for using 2-3
>> sentences when this would be pretty clearly fair use, and the
>> reputations of said IETF contributor or company would be
>> pilloried in the press, I would gently suggest that whoever is
>> worried about is greatly disconneted from reality, if they
>> were to think about the risks involved.
> 
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